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| Colin Hawkins |
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Location : London
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Re the latest memories and the reference to Betstyle Circus, some of us will remember it as Lander's Corner (although I do not recollect any advertising or sponsorship). Lander was a monumental mason based nearby. Now it is sponsored by a funeral director, so it is almost full circle (if you will pardon the pun!) | ||
| Chris Broom |
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Location : Leeds
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A bit of a long shot this one. As part of research into my family's history, I'd be interested to now if anyone previously involved with STC has recollections of Violet Maud Lowe who, I believe, worked at New Southgate in the early 1930's? Violet died many years ago now but I'm trying to discover what part she played in my father's upbringing. Many thanks. Chris Broom | ||
| Norbert (Nobby) O'Brien |
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Location : Essex
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Working in the Post Development Lab at NS, building 4 in 1988, over the years I have lost contact with some good friends, like Harry Singa & Rhudi, also John Brooks, Steve Manning and from the lab. Would like to establish contact again. | ||
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I am trying to contact a BRIAN LAWRENCE who was an apprentice from 1956 to 1962. I am arranging a 50th reunion of ex Hatfield Technical College mechanical and production course students and wonder if anyone knows Brian's contact details. Fingers crossed! Peter |
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| pete warner |
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Location : swanage
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Sad to advise the death of Pete Pohl,a frequent contributor to these pages.RIP Pete. | ||
| Mike Bragg |
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Location : Kings Lynn, Norfolk, UK
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Hi Readers, I have just stumbed across this Guest Book and have found reading the comments very interesting and brought back many great memories... Some of you may also remember my dear father Ted Bragg who sadly passed away just over 2 years ago and was just 2 weeks away from his 80th Birthday... I have remained mainly in Telecoms throughout my busy life and have worked for many Telecoms companies around the globe... I did my apprenticeship with STC which were great times... I could not resist just putting up a message and I welcome hearing from anyone who would like to get back in touch through here or on Facebook? Best regards to you all... Mike |
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| Peter Pohl |
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The aircraft at New Southgate was a C47 "DAKOTA" | ||
| Peter Bowry |
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My father worked in the tool room during the war and was also in the Home Guard at the factory. His name was Charles John Bowry. I remember playing at the back of the company sports ground in an old crashed bomber, I was very young at the time and not sure if it was American or German. It was a strong recollection as I do remember climbing into the fuselage. Does anyone have any information on this plane? I also remember my father or uncle playing cricket about 1950. It is good to read some of the notes from STC people, and those who remember the past. Regards, Peter |
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| Richard Cooper |
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I was apprenticed at STC from 1952 to 1957 and returned there after national service in 1959. I left in 1960. I would like to connect to any of my former workmates now that I am retired. Richard |
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| Colin Hawkins |
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Location : London
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Hi I read recently that the Nawaab of Pataudi had died. What is the connection with STC NS ? you might ask. Well he was a possible player in the celebrity cricket match played at NS in 2nd July 1961, see a copy of the programme in the 'Memories' entry from Tom Wells. He was in a car accident, which cost him the sight of one eye, the day before the match. Colin |
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| Keith Holman |
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Location : new barnet
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Hi all, great to have found you all. I started as an apprentice in the church hall outside the main gate and after a long career ended up in harlow. Hello to any one who remembers me, I'm digitising all my photos so when Ive got some of interest Ill offer them up. You can find me on facebook and friends reunited lots of STC there if you are interested. |
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| mike sadler |
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Location : new southgate/enfield |
came across this site by chance ,Rob it is very good , very sad to read my old boss Ken Lyndsell has died, I worked for him between 1980 and 1992 ,and I have good memories of him |
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| Dennis Harris |
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I started at STC in 1953 as an apprentice tool designer. After National Service I worked in the drawing office led by Jim Fisher, Some of the other names that worked in the office are:- Ron Draper, George Mitchell, Ernie Sapsworth, Les Ward and Wood,Don Page, Allen Murton, Roger Smith, Ernie Davis, Hughie Banks & Wilf Ewell. I played in the STC Rugby team from 1953 to 1969. I left in 1972 to become self employed. | ||
| Mel Sullivan |
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Location : Essex
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I was saddened to hear that Harry McLellan died on 13 May 2011, he was 93 years old. Mac worked at STC New Southgate and ITTE Edinburgh Way being closely involved in the development and standardisation of Equipment Practice and connectors for the switching and transmission products. For many years he managed the ITTE equipment practice development unit reporting directly into ITTE Brussels. After he retired he moved to Cornwall, with his wife Mary, where they helped their son Graham build a dairy farm business. Mac’s funeral service will be held at Morwenstow Church at 1:30pm on Tuesday 24 May. If you have any reminiscences about Mac I’m sure that Graham would want to hear them; you can contact him at gmac@ironfoot.co.uk Mel Sullivan |
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| Graham McLellan |
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Location : Morwenstow, Bude
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My father H E S McLellan (MAC) a former employee of STC Southgate, and ITT, STL, New Barnet House, Harlow etc passed away on Friday the 13th of May after a short stay in Bodmin Hospital, he was 93 and had lived with and near us on the farm in North Cornwall, his funeral will be on the 24th of May 1.30 at Morwenstow Church his wife Mary had died 8th of December 2008. He worked at Southgate, I believe from the age of 14, and was involved in many things over the years related to the firm. I had one of his former colleagues phone me just before his death who said father as a boss was good to work for as he always made you feel you a worthwhile employee doing a good job and a member of the team. I also still on occasionally get contacted by people he worked with abroad who also seem to have fond memories of MAC best regards Graham McLellan youngest son |
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| RODERICK (Roddy)WILLIAMS |
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Location : Talgarth, Powys, Mid Wales
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Hi, was probably known better as Taff. I worked here for 10 months in the years 1968/69. I worked on the telephone racks, you know the ones with big looms and selector switches. I was a trainee to a guy named Ron. I remember the names Brian Monday or Munday. He was quite a vocal character and a guy we called Ali. I was quite friendly with one of the West Indian guys but alas his name I have forgotten. I enjoyed my days there but the hills of Wales have a strange effect of pulling one back home. I will be retired in 14 months as an electrician for the local NHS. I lived in Cusop then, near Hay-on-Wye, still live close by. | ||
| David Morgans |
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Location : Borehamwood
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My father, Ted Morgans, worked at New Southgate from 1953 up until his death in 1990. The Morgans association with this site hasn't ended there though - my wife now works for Barnet Council and is often to be found on the North London Business Park... |
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| Joanne Murray |
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Location : New Zealand
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Hello I am writing this from Christchurch, New Zealand and I am interested to know if there is a list of employees, I am trying to trace my grandad, Patrick Murray, I have to date very little information on him and would be grateful of any help anyone might be able to provide. Kind Regards Joanne Murray |
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| Michael Albert |
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I am looking for help with establishing renewed contact with Douglas Girling. Douglas was for a long time my mentor. He received me to join the Capacitor Laboratory in North Woolwich in 1957. after my arrival from Hungary, as a young graduate of Physical Chemistry of the Eotvos Lorand University of Budapest. In 1958 he seconded me to the University of Exeter for research towards an M.Sc. degree in Physics, on a subject related to Tantalum Pentoxide thin film dielectrics. After completion of this research, I did not succeed to rejoin the division in its Paignton location but transferred to Standard Telecommunication Laboratories (STL) in Harlow. I became an assistant of Professor Denis Gabor FRS in Imperial College of Science where I was active in his research project of Thermionic Energy Converters, developing Rare Earth alloy based electron emitters. I arrived to Israel in 1967 to work in the Microelectronics Laboratory of the Technion Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa and teach in the University of the Negev in Beer Sheba. During this period I re-established contact with Douglas Girling, when he visited in Israel a firm of manufacturers of capacitors, which was represented at the time in the U.K. by ITT Components Group. He recommended this firm my employment as R&D Manager, for the increase of their quality standards. The name of this firm was Microelectronics Ltd. (Later: Microelectronics Capacitors), manufacturing multilayer porcelain capacitors, and trimmer capacitors with glass, quartz, sapphire and air dielectrics for the RF through microwave frequency ranges. I was Chief Scientist of this firm from 1974 until my retirement in the end of 2004. My last contact with D.S. Girling was around 1980, when we were sending to each others reprints of our publication. I would very much appreciate your help with the obtaining of information about the whereabouts of D.S. Girling. With thanks and best regards, Michael J. Albert |
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| Dave Homan |
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Location : Eltham
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 HI All, I worked for ITT/STC from 1972 until we were kicked out in 2001. During that period worked on the Unimat, Pentomat, TXE4, MMCS, DMS and CS2K products in various roles from systems integrator to pre sales engineer. They were all great times working with some of the finest engineers I have met. I still meet up with many of them at the STClub. The STClub meets every 2nd Thursday at The New Crown, Southgate. The Olde Farts club meets on all the other Thursdays in The Moon Under Water, Enfield (1st); The Bankers Draft, Eltham(3rd) and The Six Templers, Hertford (4th). All visitors are most welcome, as it is the 3rd Thursday I am off for a pint!! Cheers Dave Homan
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| evelyn price, nee bishop |
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Location : eastbourne
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 hiintersted in the message from john sharp, did you have a brother george, i left in 1978 to move to watford, have been married 33 yrs now, i worked in the vdu dept. |
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| andy arnold |
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Location : telford
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i was a plumber joiner with stc til i left to join gpo in 1977.fond memories of engineers-jack pickering.dick warner.lionell map.ron outhwaite.ginger king.fred cryer.jimmy ricard and others | ||
| Geoff Mawdsley |
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Location : Hampshire
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I love old STC telephone equipment and small strowger office systems they did. Is anyone out there interested in preserving old equipment? I would like to speak to anybody who installed the CEGB PAX equipment in power stations in the fifties. my e-mail is urjoking_uk AT hotmail DOT com (put the correct symbols instead of capital letters, and delete the spaces) Geoff Mawdsley Waterlooville Hants | ||
| Kevin Moutrie |
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Location : Surrey
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I worked at STC New Southgate from about 1977 to 1988 in the IT Department. Very fond memories and many many laughs .. and the odd bit of work done. Still in contact via Facebook with some of the people but always happy to hear from more |
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| George Lawrence |
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How things have changed! Joined STC in 1976, left Nortel (in administration) 2009. TXE4 RD Commissioning (Leighton Buzzard, Cambridge, Bowes Park, etc). TXE4A development (esp SPU), inc first switch at Belgrave and then Labs in Bldg 8. Invented K' to signify CCS junctions! Moved to Nortel's Maidenhead Sales Engineering: main switching and later VoIP. Seconded to C&W network planning team for 5 years. Get to STC meets occasionally,and QCC some years. On Pension Communications Group. The best times? Teamwork - both sorting the TXE field problems in the Lab and later planning the C&W network. |
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Hello, My father worked at STC New Southgate from just before the war until about 1945. He wanted to join the RAF but was not allowed because his job at STC was classed as a Reserved Occupation. His name was John Welsford and he was an engineer but I don't know what specialism he had. I do know that after the war he made equipment for weather balloons and maybe he was involved in this type of equipment during the war. Sadly he is no longer with us so I can't ask him to relate his experiences and he didn't talk much about his wartime experiences. But I do know he was an Auxiliary Fireman and did fire watching duties at STC New Southgate. He lived just down the road in Palmers Green, Bowes Road. I would be delighted to hear from you if you know anything about my father. Regards, Martin |
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| Stan Springate |
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A lady has contacted me re her Mum, Kathleen Edwards, who was killed in that awful V1 strike on STC/New Southgate 23.08.44. If this triggers any memories I will be very grateful and can provide further information. Kind Regards, Stan Springate |
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| Fausto Falcone |
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Hello there, I have two old telephones in a wood carry box, leather handle, bakelite phone inside with lovely detail. The front says standard telephones and cables ltd and also transmission laboratory n.woolwich. They were purchased from a local auction a very long time ago. I can not find an actual accurate information page of them other than they may be gpo telephones testing devices. I want to sell them but someone close to this company may have some advice for me or information. They are identical and are a great pair. Can you help please, Thank you so much! |
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Stumbled on this while searching for friends and was saddened to see the death of my ex-boss Ken Lyndsell. I worked at New Southgate from 1979 to 1992, in Material Control, Purchasing and later as a Contracts Negotiator. Some Great memories over the 13 years. | ||
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Hi, I am a member of The Telecommunications Heritage Group (THG). From time to time I come across old Strowger Exchange Equipment which carries STC part numbers. It is impossible for me to identify these items. If they were carrying a GPO part number I have no problem as I have access to the GPO lists. Does anyone know if the old information is held in any archive either public or private or was it all lost with the demise of STC? Kind Regards, John Mulrane. |
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I worked for STC at the New Southgate site from early '81 until the end of '83. I can't remember the building I was in but the department was Quality Assurance Test Services. We did QA on high order multiplex boards, repeaters and TXE4A stuff. The department was led by a bluff Yorkshireman named Ernie Blacktop and the rest of the team were Keith Drage, Guy Raboude, Bill Heinley and John Benham (excuse my spellings and my poor memory). The outfit seemed to have been created to keep Ernie in a job until he reached retirement age, it was pure comedy gold just trying to justify our existence (and work overtime). I was a complete knob during my time there so if any of the afore mentioned read this, I'd like to thank them for their patience. I really miss going to see Spurs with Bill or drink the social club dry with Keith. Great bunch of guys! |
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Hello. I refer back to the photo of the Flying Scotsman passing the STC. I was aged 10 then and was attending Brunswick Park JMI school in Brunswick Crescent and our teacher, Mr Butler took us up to the bridge on Oakliegh Road South and we stood by the railings as she went by. It would of been 1968 and the run was part of the end of mainline steam on British Railways. Paul Robinson. | ||
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I WAS EMPLOYED IN THE TELEPHONE EXCHANGE BUILDING AREA BETWEEN 1968/69. WAS A GOOD PLACE TO WORK, THEY CALLED ME TAFFY. I REMEMBER A GUY NAMED BRIAN MUNDAY. |
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| Richard Burns |
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STC sponsored my undergraduate Elecrical & Electronic Engineering Degree (UMIST) and I worked at the Southgate site for the summer of 1983. I remeber working on a turntable device to hold a circuit board in order to speed up component insertion prior to soldering. I played for the STC cricket team on the playing fields. I grew up in the adacent housing estate Brunswick Park Gardens until the age of 12. | ||
| Peter Pohl |
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a couple of "Famous" people from my days in Bldg.8 1951 -54 (ca) were TONY PUGH, He rode in the World Championsip Cycle Road Race about this time & also won the IoM road race,He was a member of EALING MANOR CYCLING CLUB. Another One was DON SMITH A Bass Player in (several) Trad.JazzBands.He worked in the PHOTOGAPHIC dept. Who still remembers these two ?? |
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| Roger Biddlecombe |
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Hi all, 1952 I did my pre appreticship at old building outside main gate,Then worked in most departments while learning to be an Instrument Maker, Used to spend lunch time in weight room or playing russian billards in club house,was part of ,22 rifle club, I left in 1960 for N/S then returned for a while,then started auto repair shop in Temple fortune, I would like to contact any old friends, put STC as title | ||
| graham beckett |
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Does anyone know anything about the STC enhancement programme for BT's TXE4 exchanges which added "system X" type features such as detailed call logging to TXE4A's in the 1980's? I'm interested in dates of the upgrades at different specific UK exchange locations. Please get in touch if you do! |
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Anyone from Basildon who knows me? Please get in touch |
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| Tony Batchelor |
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Location : Denmark
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Colin Hawkins wrote about the Christmas death on Building 8 and asked if it was true. Yes, it is. I was there at the time having worked at new Southgate from 1950 - 1972. |
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| nicole lyndsell |
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Sadly on Friday January 15th, 2010 Ken Lyndsell - retired employee of Northern Telecoms died suddenly aged 72 years. | ||
| PETER F POHL |
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YES I believe this to be true,.It was in BLDG 8. the individual concerned ,after a few (??) pre XMAS drinks,went up onto the roof & was accidently locked in for the whole Xmas break. This must have been shortly after WW2. Regarding When I worked in bldg 8 1951-53,the doors to the roof stairs were locked & checked by Security on Xmas Eve. REGARDING PAY over Holiday Breaks.,yes one had to clock in a full day in order to qualify for Pay over the Xmas (or any other weekend break) This was general prctice within Industry at this time! |
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| Colin Hawkins |
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Does anybody recollect the cautionary tale told to new recruits just before Christmas ? That was that somebody was put on the roof of, either building 3, 4 or 8 on Christmas Eve to sober up only to be found dead there three days later. Whether this was true or invented to warn against over indulgence, I don't know. I remember the works manager (Mr Sowter in my days) coming on the PA at approx. 3pm on Christmas Eve to wish everbody a Happy Christmas, this was the signal to leave. Another feature of the Christmas (and I believe Easter) break was qualifying days. Meaning that if you went sick on the last day before the start of the break and/or the first day after, you were deemed to have been sick for the duration of the break and therefore needed a medical certificate if you were to be paid for days off. This was no doubt a measure to discourage asenteeism. Colin |
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My dad Harold Elma Taylor worked for STC at New Southgate for over 40 years ending his career as a contracts administrator as i recall. He sadly passed away in January 1997.I have only the distant memories now of the sports days and Christmas parties but i know that myself and my sisters Larraine and Janet all went along with my Mum, Joan Taylor .Dad never really spoke about his work but i do remember him bringing it home and me doing number crunching with his figures!He was an active sportsman in football,cricket ,boxing, golf in fact allsports.I rememer Don Dimmock, sorry if the names wrong ,i last saw him at Dads funeral.We played golf together on many happy days.I seem to remember going fishing with another of his workmates called Noel .Writing this has jogged many memories for me and may i please ask for any photos that anyone has, be posted ,there must be some hopefully! As Dad used to say in his workplace correspondence"thankyou in anticipation". |
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Found this site by accident. I have many fond memories of working for STC as a commissioning engineer and working at New Southgate. I helped develop and install the first TXE4 and TXE4A exchanges, working in building8 and 53 (across the road). I left in 1988 and moved to the USA in 1990. Still working on communications gear today, now with L3 Communications. I left my email address if anyone is interested. Great website, thanks for jogging those memories. |
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| Tracey Verdigi |
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My dad is Tommy Sutton who worked for STC firstly on the shop floor and then in the Sports & Social Club for many years. He hasn't quite mastered the computer yet, (it's not as easy as the beer pump!), so if you want to get in touch with him please send messages via me. | ||
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My father, Edward (Ted) Morgans, worked at the Standard from 1953 until his death in July 1990. He was a draughtsman and worked in the same department as Stan Springate and Eric Morris. He was, for a good few years, the Secretary of the Golf Section of the ASC and I accompanied him on many a golf day as a caddy (and I apologise to anyone who had the misfortune to meet me as a teenager!). One of my enduring memories was being at the Belfry in 1983 for the weekend Interlocation Golf Tournament that was Southgate's turn to organise. Dad didn't play that year, but instead took the role of course marshall and hired a golf buggy to travel about in. Yours truly was appointed as the driver, and, bearing in mind that I was 15 at the time, had no driving experience whatsoever. What do I do?" I asked. "Just put your foot on that pedal and steer" said Dad. What followed was like a scene from a Carry On film. I put my foot on the pedal as instructed, flooring it in the process. The buggy took off across the path, straight through the neat white chain fence around the first tee and left a decent set of tyre tracks right the way across it. Dads opinion of my driving was coloured for life... (and I apologise to the poor gentleman who was halfway through his swing at the time) Dad loved the Standard, his friends and colleagues and I hope that he doesn't mind me contributing to this website on his behalf. |
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I worked in the Radio Division Purchasing Department at STC New Southgate from 1963 until 1968, initially as a progress chaser and later an assistant buyer. The Purchasing Manager at that time was Stanley Monk, a very austere Dickensian character, and the Asst. P.M. was Charles Hotton, quite the opposite in character. Others in the Department at that time were Mac (Mckenzie) something of a theologian, Kerry somebody who was writing his autobiography, Tom Brown, Eileen Thompson - blonde bombshell who sang rather well, Lena Ponder, Bill Clarke, Alf Giles, Peter Borchers – a very jolly German who eventually emigrated to Canada, Ray Griffin – a particular pal of mine, Tim Hobbs - older than the rest of us and treated with great respect by all, Eddie Bee, Reg Wilkinson, Tom Creegan, Pat - a rather mysterious (to me anyway) elder statesman figure, Margaret (the typist) Frank Jackson, Ken Aldred with whom I exchanged my beloved Austin A40 for his Ford Popular and many others whose names are lost in the mists of my aging brain. The equipment being manufactured by the Radio Div. in those days - CADF, TACAN, STAN 7/8 etc. and the unit designated 39 prefixed by something (this piece of equipment was I think being manufactured by STC in Mannheim, Germany but New Southgate were involved in supplying components and sub assemblies. I had virtually no idea what any of this equipment did, just a vague idea that it all involved aircraft and airfield operating systems At the onset of my declining years, I’m 74, when one’s mind frequently dwells in the past, I often wonder what happened to my work mates from all those years ago. Most unlikely that I will ever know but if there is anyone out there happening to read this and who remembers those days then I would enjoy hearing from you. |
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in the 70s when I played rugby, hooker, with STC, contact lenses were very rare. We just took off our specs and blundered around the field and lunged at things in the opposing team colours. I dont think it impeded my performace, and at times emboldened me to make tackles that I would not have done had I clearer impression of my target. On two occassions a clearer view might have helped. Once I was charging down the wing, quite unmarked, near the line, screaming for the ball , but the pass never came. Because I later found that I was 20 feet in touch. Once we played a game of soccer on the top field at STC. Not sure why. At the last moment I was appointed ref, even though I had already discarded my specs ready for the game. I knew the offside rule, and applied it diligently. So diligently in fact that at half time I was taken off. |
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| John Spink |
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Work for STC Installation as a test engineer from 1971 to 1980 on transit crossbar, local crossbar and TXE4. Most of the time was at Columbo House (twice) down Blackfriars but also Covent Garden St John's Wood and Stockton. Memories do fade but I revcall Derek Copp and Trevor Hooper among many |
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| Andy Ward |
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Helloo to all ex- STC employees. I was so surprised to see this website. I spent form 1968-76 working at the New Southgate division. I began my apprenticeship there and stayed on until I emigrated to Canada in December of 1976. This was one of the most fantastic companies I have ever worked for and I have the best memories and indebtedness to a huge amount of great people that shaped by former years. I would love to hear from any of you. I worked as a design draftsman under the leadership of Stan Splitz, Bernard Weatherall. And had such friends as Jim McDonald, Perter Crawley, Chris Gallager (?) in Bernard's section, David Chapman, Mike Gellor, Stephen Penrose, Larry Aldridge, Cliff Waltham, Keith Drage and many others. If anyone knows of these names and would like to help me make contact with them, I would be MOST happy. Long live our fond memories. Andy in Canada |
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